3/20/06 David Cloud: C.H. Spurgeon's Beliefs Dangerous to Bible-Believing Churches
David O. Cloud, from his website www.wayoflife.org, SOME MAJOR FALSE DOCTRINES THAT ARE A DANGER TO BIBLE-BELIEVING CHURCHES TODAY, dated November 3, 2005 (David Cloud, Fundamental Baptist Information Service, P.O. Box 610368, Port Huron, MI 48061, 866-295-4143, fbns@wayoflife.org.
The following are some of the major false doctrines that are a particular danger to Bible-believing churches in our day and a concise biblical refutation of them. We use the following to train our church members. (emphasis added)
1. The false teaching that salvation is by grace plus works (Seventh-day Adventists, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Church of Christ, Roman Catholic Church)
2. The false teaching that Jesus is not God (Jehovah’s Witnesses)
3. The false teaching that God is not a Trinity (Jehovah’s Witnesses)
4. The false teaching that baptism is necessary for salvation (Church of Christ)
5. The false teaching that infants should be baptized (Roman Catholic, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Methodist)
6. The false teachings of the Pentecostal-Charismatic Movement (Assemblies of God, etc.)
7. The false teaching that death is a sleep and not a journey (Seventh-day Adventists)
8. The false teaching that Hell is not eternal torment (Jehovah’s Witnesses, Seventh-day Adventists)
9. The false teaching that Sabbath worship is for the churches today (Seventh-day Adventists)
10. The false teaching that the Prophecies of Matthew 24 and Revelation 6-22 are not for the future but are being fulfilled today (Roman Catholic, most Protestant denominations such as Presbyterian and Lutheran, etc.)
11. The false teaching that God is finished with the nation Israel; that the church has replaced Israel (Roman Catholic, most Protestant denominations such as Presbyterian and Lutheran, etc.)
12. The false teaching that God chooses who will be saved and that only those who are chosen can be saved (Calvinism)
13. The false teaching that the believer can only eat certain things (Seventh-day Adventist)
14. The false teaching that there should only be one church in each village and city
Did you see that? Did you hear what you said, David Cloud? You placed calvinism, a doctrinal system held by:
C.H. Spurgeon, Martin Luther, John Hus, William Tyndale, John Bunyan, John Knox, the Waldenses, Johnathan Edwards, George Whitfield, Matthew Henry, the Puritans, Roger Williams, John Newton, B.B. Warfield, J.L. Dagg, John Gill, et al, et al, and ME,
on par with:
Roman Catholics
Seventh Day Adventists
Jehovah Witnesses
Pentecostal
Charismatic
and Assemblies of God.
Did you really mean to say that?
posted by Joel @ 1:09 PM
5 Comments:
Better throw my name up there with the rest of those "heretics". I guess man-centered theology(an oxy-moron) isn't dangerous to bible-believing churches. Let's just forget all this hoopla about sound exegesis and "win souls" and tabulate numbers, and get plenty of baptisms under our belt!
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"11. The false teaching that God is finished with the nation Israel; that the church has replaced Israel (Roman Catholic, most Protestant denominations such as Presbyterian and Lutheran, etc.)"
This is a complete misrepresentation of the views of the Presbyterians on the covenants of God. The church has not rplaced Israel per se but is a continuation of God's work of redemption and in that sense Paul calls the believers (Gentile) "Israel".
"And as for all who walk by this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God." (Gal 6:16)
A distinction is made between outward Jewishness (ethnicity) and true Jewishness, which includes Gentiles:
"But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel" (Rom 9:6)
I guess everyone who disagrees with premillinial Tim Layhayian and Arminian theology is a heretic according to this guy.
What really gets me about this is that Calvinist/Reformed guys are always taking heat for splitting churches and implying that Arminians aren't really Christians. Then, guys like this come out and lump us in with any and every heretical group they can find. Yeah, there are some (many?) rabid Calvinists out there that are a little over-zealous in the way they approach the debate, but most that I've come in contact with are zealous in their doctrine but compassionate toward those they disagree with. Most Calvinists I know were Arminians at one point in time, before they studied the Bible on these issues and saw what God's word really says about them. So, at least for me, I consider most Arminians to just be very immature Calvinists who may one day come around, if they study the scriptures.
I also think it's funny that I'm a heretic for baptizing my children (we're PCA presbys). I would NEVER call a Baptist a heretic for waiting to get baptized, or waiting to baptize their children, until they were able to make a fully articulated statement of faith. I would disagree with the position, but it is easy for me to admit that there is a lot of gray area on that one and that both sides can be fairly well supported scripturally.
It's a good thing we have guys like Cloud out there protecting us from such dangerous, biblical doctrines! I know I'll sleep much better tonight knowing he's on patrol for hetetics like, well, me.
I would also say that the way the objection is worded is quite unfair, though not unusual.
"...that God chooses who will be saved and that only those who are chosen can be saved "
This guy makes it sound like people are banging themselves agains the door, desperately wanting to be saved, but that mean ol' Calvinist God won't let them in, no matter how hard they try. Ha!
The reality is that we are all happily speeding down the "Highway to Hell," with our middle finger raised in God's direction, until his amazing grace regenerates our heart so that it will love him and hate sin, instead of the other way around.
It's like Baxter wrote in Saints' Everlasting Rest: "This is the woful case of all mankind since the fall. When Christ comes with regenerating grace, he finds no man sitting still, but all posting to eternal ruin, and making haste toward hell; till, by conviction, he first brings them to a stand, and then, by conversion, turns their hearts and lives sincerely to himself."
It is true that only those that God chooses will be saved, but those who are left in their depravity would never WANT to be saved anyway.
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